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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 28, 2010 11:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

I guess it's important for it's influence perhaps? Or maybe because it was ahead of it's time in 1951 ahead of the uprising of youth and adolescent questioning the social norms?

Whichever, I read it in High School and thought it was the most over rated peice of trash I've ever read. I mean all the character does is whine bitch and brood. Anyone else find this kid annoying as hell?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 28, 2010 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

"I mean all the character does is whine bitch and brood."

Didn't we all?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 28, 2010 1:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

"didnt" we all???

i think many here still do.... and often

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 28, 2010 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

Word.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 28, 2010 1:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

I was wondering if anyone was going to point that out.

I have a 16, almost 17-year-old who thinks Catcher in the Rye is great. So I dunno.

Same issues came up around remembrance when Kurt Vonnegut died (another unrepentant atheist).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 28, 2010 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

i was even wondering if it was still read in high schools. been so long, and mine havent reached that age yet. still a book i have to reread for old times sake, along with Siddhartha (sp?)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 28, 2010 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

It definitely is.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 28, 2010 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

cool - i can borrow my daughters copy(ies) when they get to it in three or four years ;)


on the related note - i was never a huge Vonnegut fan. just dont see the linguistic appeal, but will admit it has been atleast 15 years since i have picked up a book of his. i'm always for giving an author another shot (especially one held in such esteem by so many)

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 28, 2010 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

Oh how I love Vonnegut ! I once saw a programme on Channel 4 here which was a real minority channel when it started up (it now hosts Big Brother and I'm a Celebrity where the only minority element is brain cells, but I digress) in which Kurt Vonnegut and Heinrich Boell were discussing their experiences as POWs. Talk about gripping - the details they shared in common, eg breaking cigarettes in half to trade for food etc. The shared experience of their war really brought home the personal element in an international conflict. Sorry, it just all came to me in a rush.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 28, 2010 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

I love Vonnegut too.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 28, 2010 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

" Didn't we all? "

no. I mean I wasn't a conformist by any stretch - ever - but man that guy came off like a puss

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 28, 2010 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

Isn't the point that most teenagers have their heads so far up their asses that they don't see daylight for a few years?

Maybe some people just never lose that point of view...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 28, 2010 1:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 28, 2010 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

Class. Absolute class.


You have to recognise and acknowledge posting mastery when you see it. Look and learn you long-winded upstarts.

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 28, 2010 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

You've been watching 'Dead Poets Society' again haven't you Dire ?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 28, 2010 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

(damn!! busted yet again!!)



:)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 28, 2010 1:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

oh yeah, I have one of those HA! Good kid but it's funny

I just kind of did my own thing and didn't complain too much and hoped that my Dad never caught me. Just never liked whiners.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 28, 2010 3:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

I think that there is defn that self indulgent aspect to it, but as SDH notes, the writing, in and of itself, is interesting to me...it's just like Cor. Mcarthy, which just to piss off Dire, I'll say has really got his head up his "juvenile/preoccupied with violence/sexist ass" too, but he can sure write.

Does this apply to Rob equally?

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Poster: roughyed Date: Jan 28, 2010 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

Yes - as we'd say in Lancashire, "Nowt to write 'ome about".
His death will upstage Howard Zinn thanks to pinko meejah-types. I've posted a Zinn excerpt under bd's original thread.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" -Salinger didn't dissent, he whined.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 28, 2010 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

Well, if you don't have time to read the book, just turn on the radio and half the crap you'll hear is pretty much just that.

"Hey, check me out. I'm young and misunderstood. I'm so goddamn sensitive that I just might explode in a supernova of self pity"

JD must have loved Nirvana.

Seriously, the writing is exceptional even if you don't care much for the overral message.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 28, 2010 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

Right; I think that I actually had somewhat of the response of JOTS, but see it as extremely valuable both for his note about timeliness (a great deal flows from him in terms of historical writing--ie, he was foundational, and the writing itself, independent of message, is exceptional, IMHO.

Anyhow, I think we should put flowers on his grave and read his books, but we Irish have a big thing about honoring the DEAD in that way...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 28, 2010 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

As a good Irishman I can honestly say I'd rather have a happy drunk pass out on my grave then bunch of generic flowers.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 28, 2010 3:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

Fair enough; I'll water you when you fall...

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 28, 2010 4:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

Don't forget to dump a bunch of shit... I mean fertilizer on me in the spring and fall...

;)

All well in AZ? Surviving the storms?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 28, 2010 4:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

Yup; we needed the rain!

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 29, 2010 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

In the middle of a stinking desert???

I know you're jiving me now...

;)

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 28, 2010 3:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

'Seriously, the writing is exceptional even if you don't care much for the overall message' That's exactly how I feel about 'Lord of the Flies'.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 28, 2010 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

Ha! Good point...

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Jan 28, 2010 1:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Caught by the reaper in the rye

JOTS...right there with you man. Hated that book!!
Had to do a term paper on it in junior year. The whole basis of my thesis was that Holden was the phoniest person in the book!!

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